I suspect the Sherman cases are all running between 70-80k psi on the upper end. Long action lone peak. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. 7RM!! Any opinions, thoughts, or experiences with either? The only advantage I'd see with the SAUM is using a short action. Now lets compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. The 7 PRC should be built on 1:8 or 1:7.5 twist barrels to stabilize all these. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. The belt has never been an issue for me. ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. ADG 30 Nosler Brass. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. 7mm SAUM Rechamber/Barrel Life. Mag. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. It went on to prove itself as a grand all-round big game cartridge, becoming the most popular, most recognized 7mm magnum around the world. Short, light barrels just dont do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. The SAUM will be built on a long action. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. And most of the recent data for the rum is also on the weak side. Mag. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . But if you are only going to shoot the 160's you may be ok with SAAMI spec'd chamber. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. Minuteman. SAUM can be found on the . M700 shooting 180-gr. 280AI vs 7 SAUM: two peas in a pod. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. Either is good. The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. As mentioned above, one of the nice things about the 7RM is factory ammo is plentiful and fairly inexpensive. Mag. The parent cartridge is a shortened 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. For really light and a short action if you reload 7 saum. 7mm RemMag. Buy Now. I did shoot a black bear years ago with a 140gr Sierra, ugly. Why not back the 28 off and run h1000 or retumbo and cruise along at the same velocity? The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. You go long. I don't feel the need to give up barrel life (it may be a hunting rifle but I still practice with it) for a marginal increase in speed, as well as more powder and more expensive brass. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. Piecing together a rifle build but havent settled on what I want to chamber it in. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. New member question. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Well, i was leaning towards the 28 Nosler, but now I'm seriously considering the 7mm RM. Mag. Could run the sendero lite or a bartlein magnum sporter I bet Saum simply because its a 7 and you said elk. The Nosler loads were developed in Remington cases with Remington primers, and chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. Going super light though might make the 280 ai another good choice. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr ELD-Match, Noslers 185-gr. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. $81.95. Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. If the muzzle energy is higher, it will leave the bullet with higher energy. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. The 7mm Weatherby has the same recoil as a .300 Winchester Magnum, and many shooters can't come to grips with it. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. 6.5 PRC. The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. Just cant decide what billets and powder to run. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. In older reloading books for the 7 rum is its hauling a$$ compared current data. Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. Trustpilot. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. Been looking for a while. I wanted an every day backpacking Coues rifle that could do sheep, bears, caribou, goats and the occasional backpacking elk hunt if needed. To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. First, thanks to OP for starting this Thread and to everyone for posting. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. Now waiting on ADG to do another run of 7 SAUM brass. Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. ADG 7mm Rem Mag Brass. If you reload ,other than initial brass price, the cost is nearly identical. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. All rights reserved. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. 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ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. The shot prior a half grain less powder had minimal pressure signs. My hunting partner just bought a CA Ridgeline TI in 6.5PRC. ADG 300 PRC Brass. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. and a high B.C. Recoil of a 9# Rem. HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. Also note that some guys are reporting pressure issues at speeds other are reporting work with the 28. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7mm or 0.284" while the 300 PRC fires the . Most people are getting sub half moa. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. Nonetheless, it's nice to have options Having so many options these days is a double edged sword. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. Categories ADG 28 Nosler. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. Metallic Reloading Rifle Brass Rifle Brass Rifle brass is made for almost every conceivable cartridge, from 223 brass and 308 brass to older offerings like 30-40 Krag brass and even one of the newest, 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is 3,233 ft. lbs. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. You could beat it by loading that same bullet in the 28 Nosler, but youre still facing the barrel burn out issue. Full comparison of the 28 Nosler and the 7mm rum " Remington Ultra Mag" 2 big 7mm magnums that are very comparable. You are using an out of date browser. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. Worth considering. I would also add that if you are not going to optimize the rifle to get the most out of the 28 Nosler just stick with the tried and true 7mm Rem mag. Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. Additionally you can tune your load so accuracy difference go out the window. Reloder 33, 7mm RUM 3,150 fps from 26 bl. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. Im in the market to start a new build. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. By 1,000 yards the PRC has nearly a 2-foot drop advantage and 14-inch windage advantage. Wyoming NR Special increase headed for the Gov's signature, Nutrition/Running/Strength Training/Other Workouts, FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. ADG 300 Norma Magnum Brass. You say it's long action. Trustpilot. rifles. Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. and if you cant draw any tags, youd got a target rifle to tide you over. Using new brass, like Lapua brass, when reloading allows you complete control over the finished cartridge. Mag. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. Instead they seem to be shooting for the ideal balance among MV, tolerable recoil, wind deflection, and precision accuracy. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. . Trustpilot. Qty: Add to cart . Those are some impressive numbers. 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. I did 7remmag. https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 7mm SAUM vs 7mm Rem Mag | Full Comparison 24,889 views Sep 12, 2020 306 Dislike Share Save GunFather Precision 6.7K subscribers To answer a question I regularly get asked here is a full. . Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. And more recoil. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm SAUM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.825", maximum case length 2.035". All the info in that thread made my decision for me. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. They sharpened the shoulder angle. ADG Brass. Alabusa Learning. Like I said, I'm biased for the 7RM. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. Like you said though, it's pretty tough to go wrong. Some are claiming as little as 600-round barrel life for RUM, 1,000 rounds for .28 Nosler, 2,000 for Rem. Mag. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. If its a hunting rifle does it really matter? It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24 bl. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. Not to concerned about the barrel life, you cant expect Ferrari performance and get Prius fuel mileage haha theres always a trade off, I think a mild load in a 28 might be the best of both worlds. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. $89.95. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. How bout building a 280AI. I also use and like my .284 Win on a long action. Interesting. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Regardless what rifle cartridges were initially designed for, they can be perfect for other applications, which suggests the 7mm PRC could be your next do-all big game hunting cartridge. I'd opt for the 7RM. One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. Following since I want to do the exact same thing. Buy Now. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. However, if youre hoping to win a target shooting contest at 600 yards, the 3 inches less wind deflection and 4 inches less drop from the PRC give you a leg up. That's how gun control works.". Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. Has 260 rounds on it so its fully sped up. bullet wins the wind deflection category. It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). You are using an out of date browser. Thanks, BnG. Mag. Adding two inches of barrel to the 24 inches of our 7mm Rem. Mag., the 264 Win. ADG 7 SAUM Brass. ammo. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. Guys report great brass life with belted cases. At SAAMI specs you really hinder the performance, need a little extra freebore to seat the bullets out further. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUMa shoot-off to find the best, By Minuteman. Nosler shortened the RUM case, gave it a 35-degree shoulder, and shortened the neck to .276. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. To get this Hornady went to its usual bag of tricks: The new, updated Remington M700 standard length action rifles handled the Hornady 7mm PRC 180-gr. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. Pretty sure the can thing is a complete game changer on optimal barrel length. I dont reload but i see this statement a lot. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Also, is it worth getting a new rifle in the 280AI when I already have a 270 Win? Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. 7mm Rem. Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. I have a 28 nosler, and love it, but I wanted the extra 200 FPS from hand . Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. 28 nosler is a great case, barrel burner, but if you're looking for say 3000fps w/ 195 at lower pressure, use H1000 or Retumbo, adg/gunwerks brass, and the brass will last you forever, take care the barrel and it may go 1000 rounds. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. I have both the 300 and 7mm SAUM, the 300 is on a model 7 action and the 7mm a standard 700SA. &mm PRC. First, notice that kinetic energy remains above the elk killing minimum of 1,500 ft-lbs at 700 yards. That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! This is Not a New Thing. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. Full-magnum action long. You can drive 10 mph and get thousands and thousands more miles out of your tires, but wouldnt you rather drive highway speed? Full Member. Since this rifle will be used sparingly maybe I can afford to go with something a little harder on the barrel. Published Nov 25, 2019 7:53 PM EST. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Reactions: Zeroit. If your just hunting without extended range sessions I'g use this over the 7rem mag. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. | However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. 7mm PRC vs 28 Nosler The 28 Nosler shoots at faster muzzle velocities, but is an overbore cartridge that requires a very long chamber, with the Hornady hype behind the 7mm PRC, brass and ammo should be much more readily available soon enough. And that means more powder. #7mm #longrangeshooting #extremelongrange I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. Ron Spomer Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. Almost overnight the seven em em was on the lips of American hunters. It is based on the fat, belt-free 404 Jeffery case, but Nosler likely just started with the 7mm RUM which is itself a modified Jeffery. Want to do 24-26 barrel. Heres what a trajectory table looks like for the 180-gr. ADG 300 . loads beautifully, delivering them sub-MOA out to 1,500 yards, then a mile just to say I did it. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? So Im going through this same thing Are you wanting to run a shorter barrel? The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step.